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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:20 pm 
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Who should it be?
What should the focus be?

Pim had a brief that was all about getting us to the WC again, irrespective of how we did it (doesn't look like he considered what would happen once we got there though).

Next time round, what should we be looking at?

Do we need to place player development ahead of 'results'? I think we probably do need to take a longer view than the next 4 years. Even if it means increasing our chances of missing out on qualifying for Brasil 2014.

Given that, what do we look for in a Socceroos coach? A well credentialed European who has the history and the experience, but who will cost a lot and fark off after a couple of years? A cheaper foreign option, who might be more willing to stick around, and who has a focus on player development? A young Australian coach who will take pride in the job and who understands the specific issues facing Australian football?

Until this point I've always just assumed that Australia should just stump up for the 'best' coach we can afford - e.g. Hiddink - but I'm starting to think that maybe that mightn't be the best option through a 'rebuilding' phase.

For all his faults Farina achieved a fair bit with the Socceroos (and in fact would have coached us in the World Cup in Korea/Japan 2002 with a smidgin of luck against Uruguay - and we could have just as easily lost under Hiddink in 2005). I admit to feeling some nostalgia for the way we approached some of the games during that era - all guns blazing vs Argentina and Germany in the Confed Cup, friendly drubbings of minnows like Jamaica and England...

I'm rambling by this point so I'll return to the point: what sort of man should lead our national team? Fearless and gung-ho? Pragmatic and dull? Craig Foster? Aurelio Vidmar? Sven-Goran Eriksson? Some Bolivian genius who nobody outside of Latin America has heard about? Carl Veart?

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personally i don't see the need for the Senior national coach to care about player development a great deal, thats for the junior national coaches and the players respective clubs to worry about. The Senior coach should pick the best team available with the aim of concentrating on winning the Asian cup and WC qualifiers.

If player development means ignoring some of the senior players available at that moment yet won't be in several years time at the next tournament then yeah he has to take that into account.


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 Post subject: Re: Next Socceroos coach
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How about Bruce Arena? Did an amazing job pulling the US out of it's mire. Has a great coaching record at international level.


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 Post subject: Re: Next Socceroos coach
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Bruce Arena is a pretty good call Andy.. and he would know better than most other foreigners what it means to be national team coach in a country where football is regarded as a second-rate sport, where the domestic league is still experiencing growing pains, etc.

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 Post subject: Re: Next Socceroos coach
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We need to stay dutch. We've spent all this money going dutch why would you sign someone who either hasn't use the system or doesn't want too?

Gus, Ruud Gulit, Marco Van Basten or Frank Rijkaard would be some of the only names i would consider. I hear the FFA has a $6 million per year to spend.

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 Post subject: Re: Next Socceroos coach
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I hear the FFA has a $6 million per year to spend.


FAR OUT thats plenty for a great coach!
would like to put in my suggesution for Lippi, gone after WC...seems to favor a 4-3-3 system, and has won a WC with a squad that didnt have any stand out players, let alone any strikers, seems almost perfect for us, although i think he might want more then 6 mil a year.


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 Post subject: Re: Next Socceroos coach
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$6 million a year! ahhh Uncle Frankie, where would we be without you?

After watching Holland last night I'm not really sure Dutch is the way to go :wink:

But yeah, I agree that we need to pick a system and stick to it, might as well be the Dutch way.

I would not touch Ruud Gullit though, has no national team coaching experience, and has very ordinary results at club level.


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 Post subject: Re: Next Socceroos coach
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Craig Foster for free, if he thinks he knows everything.

Then, when he stuffs it all up, let's see who he blames. Would FIFA and match fixing be accountable this time?


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 Post subject: Re: Next Socceroos coach
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While I understand the appeal of the Dutch style and how it can re-build our approach from the ground up...do we need to stick with it?

If there are no Dutch coaches of the calibre we're after, what? Just take the next best? Did we already do that anyway?

The Olyroos looked great under Baan. Neeskans (sp) seemed to genuinely love it here but would he be any better than Pim?

Surely any decentm, experience international manager would understand the Dutch system enough to apply it as much as it made sense here no matter where they were from.

I want someone who will reward hungry kids and take a Tommy Oar or a Leckie to the World Cup. Tell 'em to run at their opponents with no fear and to learn from their mistakes.


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 Post subject: Re: Next Socceroos coach
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riki herbet, knows how to get the most out of a team with limited talent and try and play attacking football.


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 Post subject: Re: Next Socceroos coach
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I can't see Lippi keeping his job now. Would he take 6 million a season? I know Capello is on 10 million but thats coaching England. I reckon i wouldn't take the job for much less

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stuckey wrote:
I can't see Lippi keeping his job now. Would he take 6 million a season? I know Capello is on 10 million but thats coaching England. I reckon i wouldn't take the job for much less


Capello has already been replaced by Cesare Prandelli, formerly of Fiorentina.

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 Post subject: Re: Next Socceroos coach
PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:48 pm 
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stuckey wrote:
I can't see Lippi keeping his job now. Would he take 6 million a season? I know Capello is on 10 million but thats coaching England. I reckon i wouldn't take the job for much less


Capello has already been replaced by Cesare Prandelli, formerly of Fiorentina.

wow, i thought the pommie FA would have at least waited till they lost to Germany to replace him. 8)


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ThatDickw/theGlasses wrote:
stuckey wrote:
I can't see Lippi keeping his job now. Would he take 6 million a season? I know Capello is on 10 million but thats coaching England. I reckon i wouldn't take the job for much less


Capello has already been replaced by Cesare Prandelli, formerly of Fiorentina.

wow, i thought the pommie FA would have at least waited till they lost to Germany to replace him. 8)


Wishful thinking that we had Capello on my part :(

Obviously I meant Lippi.

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perhaps lippi could mend the fractured relationship between australian football fans and anything italian.


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 Post subject: Re: Next Socceroos coach
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Ericksson's name has been thrown around recently as well.


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Sven-Goran Eriksson backed for Roos gig
Ray Gatt From: The Australian June 25, 2010 11:30PM

SVEN-GORAN Eriksson has firmed as favourite to become the new Socceroos' coach after British bookmaker William Hill reported heavy support.

Eriksson has come in from 5-1 to 3-1 favourite for the job amid suggestions leading candidate Paul Le Guen may have harmed his prospects following Cameroon's inglorious exit from the World Cup after losing all three of its group matches.

There were media reports earlier this week that 46-year-old Le Guen, who has coached French clubs Lyon and PSG and Scottish giant Rangers, was on the radar of Football Federation Australia chairman Frank Lowy as a likely replacement for Pim Verbeek.

But Le Guen's odds have lengthened, with the Frenchman easing from 5-2 to 9-2.

Others mentioned as possibilities include Dutchmen Leo Beenhakker, Frank Rijkaard, Johan Neeskens and Ruud Gullit, Frenchman Gerard Houllier and former Argentine international Osvaldo Ardiles.

However, this is the first time Eriksson has been linked to the Socceroos job.

The 67-year-old Eriksson, who is in charge of Ivory Coast, is unlikely to lead the African team to the second round. His side had to defeat Group G easybeat North Korea by a huge margin overnight and was hoping Brazil could do the same to Portugal.

A spokesman for William Hill said punters only wanted to back Eriksson, who coached England between 2001 and 2006.

"Sven Goran Eriksson is the candidate punters want to be on at the moment. However, we are expecting to see a lot more twists and turns in the market before Ben Buckley and Frank Lowy rubber stamp any appointment," William Hill's Tony Kenny said.

"Le Guen has been heavily linked with the Socceroos post, but Cameroon's three consecutive defeats in the World Cup have hardly enhanced his CV."

One name not on the list is Brazilian Carlos Alberto Parreira, who coached host South Africa, a team unlucky to be eliminated in the first round.

Parreira has coached Brazil three times (1983-84, 1991-94 and 2003-06) and won the World Cup with his country in 1994.

The market: 3-1 Sven Goran Eriksson, 9-2 Paul Le Guen, 8-1 Gerard Houllier, 9-1 Ricki Herbert, Johan Neeskens, Ottmar Hitzfeld, 13-1 Leo Beenhakker, Lars Lagerback, Ossie Ardiles, Marco Van Basten, 21-1 Philippe Troussier, 26-1 Pierre Littbarski, Winfried Schafer, Fabio Capello.

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stuckey wrote:
I hear the FFA has a $6 million per year to spend.


FAR OUT thats plenty for a great coach!
would like to put in my suggesution for Lippi, gone after WC...seems to favor a 4-3-3 system, and has won a WC with a squad that didnt have any stand out players, let alone any strikers, seems almost perfect for us, although i think he might want more then 6 mil a year.


When was that?

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spaceCowboy wrote:
stuckey wrote:
I hear the FFA has a $6 million per year to spend.


FAR OUT thats plenty for a great coach!
would like to put in my suggesution for Lippi, gone after WC...seems to favor a 4-3-3 system, and has won a WC with a squad that didnt have any stand out players, let alone any strikers, seems almost perfect for us, although i think he might want more then 6 mil a year.


When was that?


well obviously the squad had strikers, but it was more a team effort, cos if u think about it, thers was no real stand out players, like a messi or a robben, and i think toni was ther highest recognized striker to score with 2 goals, the rest came from midfielders and defenders, grosso, matterazzi, zambrotta etc.


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an update on theworldgame website about the search for the top job

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/news/101 ... ch-narrows

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Football Federation Australia’s hunt for a high profile coach to replace Pim Verbeek has hit a stumbling block with Marcello Lippi, Jurgen Klinsmann and Marco Van Basten all turning down the job.

But despite the setbacks, FFA technical director Han Berger – one of the five-man selection panel charged with filling the void left by Verbeek’s departure post South Africa – remains confident a new mentor will be in place in time for Australia’s friendly against Slovenia on August 11.

Among the candidates left standing are World Cup coaches Paul Le Guen (Cameroon) and Marcelo Bielsa (Chile), plus a number of unnamed English coaches who have also thrown their hats in the ring.

There is also a joker in the pack with José Pekerman, who coached Argentina to three World Youth Championships, spotted in Sydney prior to the World Cup where he held informal talks with FFA.

Pekerman, who was in charge of the senior Argentina side’s 2006 campaign in Germany where they reached the last eight, has also been linked to the Japan coaching job.

World Cup-winning coach Lippi, 62, was the first to say no when approached soon after the Azzurri’s disastrous campaign in South Africa.

Former Netherlands coach Van Basten, who quit as boss of Ajax a little over a year ago, was the next to decline the offer of continuing the Dutch dominion at the pinnacle of Australian football in the wake of Verbeek and his predecessor Guus Hiddink.

Having already rejected the chance to take charge at AC Milan because of an ongoing ankle condition, he is believed to have cited the same reasons to the Socceroos hierarchy.

The disappointment for Australia’s selection panel - which also consists of FFA CEO Ben Buckley, directors Jack Reilly and Phil Wolanski, and head of national teams John Boultbee – mounted when Klinsmann, who coached Germany to third place in 2006 on home soil, also said ‘Nein’.


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personally i don't see the need for the Senior national coach to care about player development a great deal, thats for the junior national coaches and the players respective clubs to worry about. The Senior coach should pick the best team available with the aim of concentrating on winning the Asian cup and WC qualifiers.

If player development means ignoring some of the senior players available at that moment yet won't be in several years time at the next tournament then yeah he has to take that into account.


Absolutely agree 100%. Players develop at their clubs and the best come to play for Australia, thats why a strong a-league is very important for us.


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Robbie Slater encourages Australia to sign Diego Maradona as coach

By Robbie Slater
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August 01, 2010

How about Diego Maradona as the next Socceroos coach? It might sound a bit left field, but just hear me out.

Maradona transcends football, he transcends sport. As national coach, he would give us publicity that money can't buy.

He would blow the NRL, AFL and rugby union right out of the water.

Kevin Sheedy has been a human headline for the AFL since signing as Greater Western Sydney coach but no one can touch Maradona. And after the Pim Ver-bleak era, we need something to energise our game, to get people excited.

Maradona coming here would be like what Sydney FC did with Dwight Yorke to kick off the A-League.

Full Article on FoxSports: Here

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Your thoughts people?

I am not so sure about this - I know Maradona was a great player in his day, but what *exactly* did he do within the Argentine squad as a manager to improve them as a team? Hmmm.


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Considering you would only expect two or three of the starters from this world cup to be at the next. We're in a transition period. We're going to have to try out a few new players why not roll the dice on a coach as well. I would be more then happy to see the FFA give him a go. At the very least we would definately have a scapegoat if we did badly!

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No way. Unfortunately, given this country's penchant for moronic big name/celeb worship, it's hard to rule out :?

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